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Finder is dead, long live Finder? ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Unregistered(d)) http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/sreply/80 Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:19:41 GMT http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/reply/79/t/Tiger-The-End-of-the-Macintosh-Finder-.html#reply-79 Now I'm looking at my menu bar...
Apple on the left, user on the right (fast user switching enabled). From the right, heading left--clock, sound, keyboard palette, NUD Calendar thingy, NUD contact thingy, iChat balloon thingy. Nine menu items for Safari (including Debug menu). Most of the stuff to the right, superfluous. Apple menu on the left, could (should?) be the Finder menu on the Dock. Lots can be cleaned up...

From your perspective--we get rid of the Dock, clean it... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (V Menard) http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/sreply/79 Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:35:18 GMT http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/reply/78/t/Tiger-The-End-of-the-Macintosh-Finder-.html#reply-78
I'll say it one more time, and then I'll cede that I have nothing useful left to say on the subject:

The menubar is the Macintosh.

Screw with it, and you've screwed up the Mac. Eliminiate it, and you've eliminated the Mac. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (billpalmer) http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/sreply/78 Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:15:15 GMT http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/reply/77/t/Tiger-The-End-of-the-Macintosh-Finder-.html#reply-77
Even in a presentation app such as Keynote or PowerPoint, the menubar only disappears on playback. The entire time you're creating your presentation, the menubar is there (and you'd be unable to create the presenation without that menubar). You seem to be forgetting that the menubar is essential in every application you use, not just the Finder. Every app in your Dock would be rendered unusable without its... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (billpalmer) http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/sreply/77 Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:12:19 GMT http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/reply/76/t/Tiger-The-End-of-the-Macintosh-Finder-.html#reply-76 In the applications section I have 17 apps, 5 currently running. I could easily set up an applications folder with a pop-up menu and shrink that part of the Dock down to one or two icons (and still be able to dock an additional icon or two if I wanted to for enhanced visibility). In the document side I have 5 icons including the trash and my go-to repository of my favorite URLs, set up... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (V Menard) http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/sreply/76 Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:10:33 GMT http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/reply/75/t/Tiger-The-End-of-the-Macintosh-Finder-.html#reply-75
Actually, that is what I was thinking, at first...
But that evolved such that now I'm thinking of something more like morphing the Dock and the Menu Bar together, maybe even as omnipresent as the Dock-Sidebar-Toolbar. Not one icon at all, but something that elegantly delivers simple functionality of all of the features, that can be pinned anywhere, made immutable like the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (V Menard) http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/sreply/75 Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:31:33 GMT http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/reply/74/t/Tiger-The-End-of-the-Macintosh-Finder-.html#reply-74
Okay, okay, you got me -- I intentionally gave the article a title that would bring lots and lots of traffic (and it worked, for that matter).

"And I agree that the menu bar is part of the current Finder experience. The only way I would entertain the thought of merging it into the dock would be with the same kind of elegant... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (billpalmer) http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/sreply/74 Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:48:25 GMT http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/reply/73/t/Tiger-The-End-of-the-Macintosh-Finder-.html#reply-73
And I agree that the menu bar is part of the current Finder experience. The only way I would entertain the thought of merging it into the dock would be with the same kind of elegant interface. I'm not sure how it could be done, but just like the dock/sidebar/folder toolbar paradigms have been merging it seems it should be possible, and... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (V Menard) http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/sreply/73 Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:32:33 GMT http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/reply/72/t/Tiger-The-End-of-the-Macintosh-Finder-.html#reply-72
I've thought the Launcher was stupid from the day I saw it. Even in OS 9, desktop aliases (combined with Apple Menu aliases) were far more functional.

"But the end of the Macintosh finder still seems to me to be, well, wrong.
Sure, you can put finder activities within applications, but sooner or later, if the user interface becomes... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (billpalmer) http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/sreply/72 Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:07:53 GMT http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/reply/71/t/Tiger-The-End-of-the-Macintosh-Finder-.html#reply-71
But the end of the Macintosh finder still seems to me to be, well, wrong.
Sure, you can put finder activities within applications, but sooner or later, if the user interface becomes application-centric, and the finder fades into disuse, unless the applications are exclusively Apple product, we will have given away the Apple experience!

The dock IS an Apple... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (V Menard) http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/sreply/71 Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:53:13 GMT http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/reply/70/t/Tiger-The-End-of-the-Macintosh-Finder-.html#reply-70
I didn't say "no" Finder. I said that I want Apple to continue its long-running (yet apparently largely unnoticed) efforts to make it so we don't have to go to the Finder as often. My point is that more and more of the overall system's functionality are showing up... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (billpalmer) http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/sreply/70 Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:51:20 GMT http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/reply/69/t/Tiger-The-End-of-the-Macintosh-Finder-.html#reply-69
Who knows what we'll see when Tiger is actually demoed at WWDC... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (V Menard) http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/sreply/69 Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:31:22 GMT http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/reply/68/t/Tiger-The-End-of-the-Macintosh-Finder-.html#reply-68 ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Hrududu) http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/sreply/68 Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:19:16 GMT http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/topic/373/t/Tiger-The-End-of-the-Macintosh-Finder-.html
Seems to me if there's no Finder you're just running applications on top of a Unix core, so any machine that runs Unix (or whatever) would give the same user "experience"--not good for Apple! If on the other hand you want to move the "desktop" experience to the peripheral dock, menu, and sidebar space allocations, then you're just changing the desktop metaphor. I personally use the desktop to display my favorite scenery du... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (V Menard) http://billpalmerdotnet.yuku.com/topic/373 Thu, 10 Jun 2004 06:46:53 GMT