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Posts: 376 (11/21/03 04:11:45) |
"Panther can have your old blueberry iBook purring like a kitten again"
billpalmer.net/com000037.html This thread is for discussion of the above article, originally posted to billpalmer.net on Friday, 11/21. |
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Posts: 0 (11/21/03 11:06:39) |
Hi Bill... great tips for the Panther Blueberry.
I recently installed Panther on Nitrozac's old blueberry iBook... it runs really nicely, although it was a challenge squeezing the installation on the hardrive! The old iBook form factor is fabulous, and imho underrated. Sometimes we think we should sell it ... but then we realize What are we thinking, this laptop is soooo cool! Ok, have a great day... Snaggy |
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Posts: 376 (11/21/03 11:20:18) |
Snaggy,
I agree about the "feel" of the form factor of ye olde iBook. I still can't get over how much better my hands fit on it than they did on the "snow" iBook I was using at my previous job. And don't get me started on how much better I like the old trackpad! As far as selling it, I believe that the blueberry and tangerine iBooks have reached that point in their lifecycle that they're so old that you can't sell yours for nearly as much as it's worth to you. I know that sounds strange, as I certainly wouldn't pay more than $300 to acquire one...but there's no way that I would part with mine for a measly $300. The old iBook and I have a history together, you know? Thanks for posting. Invite your friends. - Bill P. |
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Posts: 0 (11/21/03 12:02:58) |
I recently helped a friend who had an old dead Blueberry lying around and wanted to make something useful of it. Replaced the motherboard and it ran fine on 9.2.2, but the by the following week we wanted more. After bumping the memory to 320MB, replacing a bad CD-ROM drive, and swapping the 3GB hard drive for a 15GB unit, I loaded Panther onto it, and was shocked at how sweet it ran!
Don't let the rumors put you off on upgrading the hard drive --- scour the web for step-by-step instruction, get a few small bowls, zip lock bags, and a labeling pen ready, and go for it. You have new appreciation for these things once you've seen them inside out! Regards, Jeff |
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Posts: 376 (11/21/03 12:20:34) |
Oh, don't get me wrong, Jeff, I will upgrade the hard drive at some point...but not right now. One major project at a time, right?
That's fantastic what you did to your friend's iBook. One of the things I love the most about the Mac community is how we invariably come together for each other whenever the Mac is involved. Something tells me that Panther has more built-in support for ye olde iBook's video chipset support than was advertised. Perhaps Apple finally decided to allow its dinosaurs to grow old gracefully. Thanks for posting. Keep it coming! |
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Posts: 10 (11/21/03 14:54:50) |
Hello,
What do you know, I will be installing Panther to my aunt's iBook tomorrow! I picked it up for few hundred as a birthday present and added 256 megs memory and luckily its battery is in very good condition and has worked very well since getting it this summer. Interesting is that all the programs she runs are from Apple. Safari, Mail, iCal, iTunes, iPhoto and AppleWorks, well almost there is some card games also! I also got a used Iomega CD-RW for a few euros that goes for a great Xmas present. When testing it I discovered that it happily works with iTunes and Finder! A cheap CD-burner is something to consider when working with rather limited hard disk space! And as Bill said if you have iBook or any Mac gathering dust you really should give it to some one or donate it to good use! Teemu |
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Posts: 376 (11/21/03 15:06:12) |
Welcome, Teemu.
Funny, now that you mention it, I find that most of the software I use every day (with the notable exceptions of Dreamweaver, my FTP client, and my shareware games) is from Apple. Not that I have any hesitation to use software from other sources, it's just that lately I haven't had much need... I wonder how many other Mac users can say the same thing? |
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Posts: 0 (11/22/03 17:36:52) |
Good article...will be updating my wife's iBook soon. Just put an exrta 10gig drive in it and is running good under 10.2.8.
One question about your Airport section in your article. Are you saying you don't need a base station for the two machines? How about three machines? Thanks |
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Posts: 376 (11/22/03 18:02:14) |
"One question about your Airport section in your article. Are you saying you don't need a base station for the two machines? How about three machines?"
As long as you don't mind leaving one of your machines physically connected to the DSL or Cable modem, and as long as that particular machine can support an AirPort (or AirPort Extreme) card, you're in business without a Base Station. Take my setup, for instance. Even though my iMac is getting its internet signal through its own ethernet port, it's sending out an internet signal through the AirPort card that I installed in it. Beyond that's it's really just a matter of checking a checkbox in your Sharing panel. Theoretically, you can probably have as many machines sharing your wireless signal as you want, although obviously they're all sharing the fixed amount of bandwidth that you're getting from your DSL or Cable company, so if you add too many, you'll see a slowdown. But three machines shouldn't hurt anything. Even the older AirPort cards can support up to an 11 Mbps signal, which is a heck of a lot more bandwitdh than your internet provider is giving you to start with (1.5 Mbps or less). Have fun surfing from the kitchen! - Bill P. |
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Posts: 10 (11/23/03 17:41:52) |
A quick look at the Dock shows that I am using mostly Apple's software daily like iTunes, iCal, Mail, Preview, Textedit and Safari. My favourites are iTunes, iPhoto and iMovie of course.
I like also Keynote and my next project is to get to know Final Cut Express. What I would like to have is friendlier web tool than Dreamweaver or GoLive. I really enjoyed using Claris Homepage! Teemu |
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Posts: 376 (11/24/03 22:22:26) |
"What I would like to have is friendlier web tool than Dreamweaver or GoLive"
I agree. I use Dreamweaver MX every day, and while it gets the job done, I continually wish that Apple would do for web design what Keynote did for presentations. Macromedia recently released a $99 product called "Contribute" that vaguely promises to be a sort of friendlier, consumer-level version of Dreamweaver. Dot-mac members get $20 off the price...but it's still not worth a $79 risk as far as I'm concerned. I don't trust Macromedia to be able to pull off what Contribute promises to be, not after my all-too-brief excursion with the trial version of Dreamweaver MX 2004. Macromedia's developers seemingly did nothing to address the most widely-held complaints complaints about the first version of MX: disturbingly slow, and lousy window management. If they didn't address that at all on their $400 web design product, there's no reason for me to believe that they pulled it off on their $100 product. Anyway, I'm with you in hoping that Apple can do something to remedy the situation. Panther made Dreamweaver run considerably faster, at least on my setup...but that's not exactly the answer I was looking for. There are those who swear by Freeway, but I've never used it and therefore can't comment. The funny thing about Final Cut Express is that you sorta kinda have to own a digital camcorder to go with it...and right now I don't qualify. So I'll save that adventure for another time. But hey, if you do decide to dive into FCE, be sure to post a little about your experiences here! The rest of us might benefit... - Bill P. |
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Posts: 3 (11/26/03 00:20:54) |
OK- I have Panther running on my old Indigo, and you're right- it's given it new life. I upgraded the ram to 576 with a 512 meg chip from OWC, and a couple of years ago, I installed a 20 gig IBM Travelstar, so there's plenty of room for Panther. I partitioned the drive with a 1 gig partition for OS 9.2.2, and the rest for Panther. My wife is using it now...it's her main machine.
Here's a tip- I found illustrated instructions for swapping out the drive at xlr8yourmac.com, printed out the pictures, and as I disassembled the iBook, I taped the screws to the pictures where they belonged- it made re-assembling much easier... And believe me, I'm a klutz, so if I can do it, you can- took me about an hour and 20 minutes... And it sure gave me tons of respect for the engineers who designed the package- there's a lot of stuff in there! As for the clamshells, put the iBook G3 900 14 inch spec into the clamshell form, and I'll order one TOMORROW! The palm rests are comfortable, the keyboard, trackpad and clicker are great, and the hinges are the sturdiest around, to say nothing of my favorite part- the handle. It's cool looking, and it's bullet proof. Just my 2, Ken. |
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Posts: 376 (11/26/03 01:11:34) |
Hey man, in my mind, the Indigo iBook was the high point of the whole iBook product line. It cured nearly everything that the blueberry iBook was lacking (no FireWire, lousy video card, etc.). I used an Indigo iBook at work for a long time.
The really sad part is that Apple had to give up the clamshell iBook due to the fact that schools weren't buying it. I had to fight so hard to be allowed to buy Indigo iBooks for my school...and when I succeeded, it turned out that we were the first school (in a district of 300 schools) to have bought iBooks! Took a lot of flack for it from stuff-shirt types, but as I expected, my teachers ate them right up. In fact, we had a running joke going that every time one of us got their picture in the community newspaper for some school-related reason, more often than not you could see that teacher's indigo iBook in the background of the photo, because the iBooks were being used that much! When Apple brought out the snow iBook, I nearly cried. What a step backward, on so many fronts. No handle. Inferior trackpad. No place to rest your wrists. Plain-looking. Boring. On top of it all, very few technical advantages over the previous generation. I remember someone making the comment at the time, "I think Jonathan Ive must have quit or something". But you know what? Orders from school districts tripled. Turns out that the higher-ups really were blocking iBook purchases based on the fact that they were so flamboyant-looking. It shows so much of what's wrong with education today: the decisions are being made by people who have no business making them, and the teachers' input being ignored. But I digress. Thanks for sharing the link, I'll be sure to consult it before I finally do perform surgery on ye olde iBook. I will say this about the new 14-inch G4 iBook, though: if I were buying a new laptop right now, I think I'd be fairly comfortable in doing so. It's not as sexy as the 12-inch PowerBook, but the price is excellent and the bigger screen really helps. In the small amount of time I've spent monkeying with the 14-inch iBook in the store, it seems that my wrists do at least fit on the top surface of of the laptop, if not entirely comfortably (because it's a flat surface). With the little 12-inch snow iBook, my wrists often had to hang out in thin air! Now that the iBook line has gone G4 and it's become such a similar product to the PowerBook line, it's really about time that Apple goes and differentiates the iBook line again. I'm not saying that they should return to the original clamshell approach, but I think that the technology is there to make it curvier without having to make it bulkier. I don't care about the colors, keep it conservative if it'll help with education sales. But do something to snaz up the iBook so that it comes of as something more than a watered-down PowerBook. You know, give Jonathan Ive something to do again. And that's my two cents. If it's worth that. - Bill P. |
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Posts: 376 (11/26/03 02:07:53) |
You'll love this:
The Guardian just ran an article today, and they used a stock photo of someone using -- what else -- a blueberry iBook. I guess ye olde iBook's form factor was unique enough that years after it was discontinued, journalists are still using its image to portray computer usage. media.guardian.co.uk/newm...10,00.html |
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Indigo iBook | ||
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Posts: 3 (11/27/03 16:06:15) |
Uh huh, and the latest MacWorld,(November) has a picture of a guy using an indigo in the midst of a row of people using iBooks and tiBooks in the feature photo for the article entitled 'Laptop Nation'- guess that the indigo just won't go away.
FWIW, I'm using an iBook 800 with 14" screen now, and it's fairly comfortable, but I'd still prefer the clamshell form. And now, back to watching the Dolphins whup up on the Cowboys... Happy Thanksgiving, Ken |
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Posts: 376 (11/27/03 17:27:17) |
"And now, back to watching the Dolphins whup up on the Cowboys..."
When's the last time the Dolphins scored 40 points? It's like a dream come true. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone reading... - Bill P. |
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this beautiful discussion | ||
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Posts: 0 (11/28/03 13:09:31) |
Happy thanksgiving, America.
This discussion is so heartwarming. So many like minds! You've all said it so well, all I can add is that I agree with every clamshell-lovin' sentiment expressed here. I'm inspired to keep mine running for years, if I can. I'm especially thrilled by the "no base station" possibilities, and I think I'm even willing to tackle the hard drive upgrade. A good geeky Christmas holiday project! But I have questions... An Apple retailer told me that I dare not install a PC100 256MB RAM module in my iBook 300. It's got to be PC66! Now, I thought PC66 and PC100 were pretty much interchangeable, but he insisted that they aren't in this case... and his inventory lists PC66 as much more expensive, and Crucial doesn't sell it at all. Can anyone clarify this for me? And about the "no base station" thing... REALLY? You're serious? No foolin'? That is so cool. Paul Vancouver, Canada |
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Posts: 376 (11/28/03 13:48:03) |
Paul,
That's a rough call on the RAM thing. Clearly, the retailer has a motive to sell you the PC66 RAM at the higher price. So you'll have to decide whether he's being truthful/accurate. I never recommend buying RAM retail, unless you're so dripping with money that mind the price premium, or if you simply don't have the time or patience to buy RAM wholesale over the net, install it yourself, and accept the fact that there's a small chance of getting a bad chip (you can send it back under warranty). When I bought the extra 256 MB for my blueberry iBook, it was nearly three years ago...so I honestly can't remember whether it was PC66 or PC100. However, in my experience with other Mac models, I have found that a higher-Mhz RAM chip has no problems running at a lower Mhz. But please don't take this as definitive device. For what it's worth, I buy my RAM from these guys: www.18004memory.com Several purchases, very low prices, never a problem (yet, fingers crossed). You can also cross-check web-based prices here, if you're simply looking for the very lowest price: www.ramseeker.com As far as the "no base station" thing, I can verify first-hand that this does indeed work (I'm using it right now to type this). In fact, Apple calls it "Software Base Station" and it's been around almost from the beginning of AirPort itself. I've always been aware of it, but it's only recently that I've actually had occasion to set it up for myself. The only possible caveat is that I haven't tested the range to see if the iMac really is giving off the same range (150 feet) as a real base station, because I'm in an apartment and there isn't anywhere in here that's 150 feet away from the iMac! But yeah, it sure works, and the speed is definitely there. Best of luck with the iBook hard drive upgrade. Be sure to share your results here. Happy Holiday Weekend, everyone! - Bill P. |
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Posts: 10 (11/28/03 15:00:41) |
Paul, I installed PC100 RAM module for my aunt's Blueberry iBook this summer with no problems so far. So PC100 should work on your iBook also, knock on wood...
---- What comes to the old vs new iBook design, I think Apple has found a middle ground. White iBook is cool enough for students but not too different for those who spend the money as it was with tangerine and blueberry iBooks. Obviously clamshell design was better for kids but white iBooks are quite sturdy also. iBook G4 has slot loading drive so one fragile part less which is good! Thinking of iBooks though Apple once had something that could have been a really huge success - eMate. I picked up a used eMate and it is really nice design with great battery and it is light, small and almost unbreakeble. I remember Apple demoing eMate by dropping it on the floor! Anyway my main machine is 12-inch PowerBook and it is just perfect for carrying around everywhere I go. Teemu |
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Posts: 0 (11/28/03 17:57:11) |
Nice price on the memory from www.18004memory.com, but they ask for an iBook model number (such as "M7619LL/A"). I know exactly which iBook I have (iBook 300 64MB 6GB), but I can't find any way to identify the model number. Found iBook HDs for sale by model number as well. Anyone know how to identify the model no? Apple KB article on the subject does not associate the models with model numbers.
TIA, Paul |
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Posts: 376 (11/28/03 19:53:54) |
Paul,
The only place I've seen model numbers of that format is in the Apple online store. Since your iBook is obviously not a product that Apple still sells, I'm not sure of any quick way to locate it. When I visit 18004memory.com, I click on the Apple link, and then I simply click on the name of the Mac model I'm looking for. In your case, clicking on "iBook" would take you to this page: www.18004memory.com/categ...bcatid=902 There are eleven iBook memory chips listed on that page, and each chip lists in italics which iBooks it will work with. For instance, the listing for the 256 MB RAM chip is: "256MEG PC100 SO DIMM FOR APPLE IBOOK 300,366,400 AND 466MHZ VERSIONS" Hope that helps. - Bill P. |
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